Andrew interviews Abel Kloster. Through Resilience Permaculture Design, LLC, Abel specializes in Forest Stewardship Planning as a consulting forester for ODF and a Technical Service Provider for the NRCS. We talk on site about the ecoforestry work he stewards at Aprovecho outside of Cottage Grove, OR. We discuss the lessons he has learned in this work and the opportunities he has found in cooperative ownership and management of forests.